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Post by Hannah on May 6, 2023 4:04:45 GMT
Greetings! Back in the discord server, we had a channel that acted like a library. There was a lot of tech-y stuff, and also books related to the 'social change' aspect of the YW movement. I was wondering if anybody was interested in picking up some of those titles with me? I borrowed or downloaded many of them, but on my own, I was never motivated to finish. My library card history is filled with things I borrowed on the YW's recommendation, but dropped. Not because I didn't like them, it was just lonely and frankly boring experiencing them by myself. The Yesterweb Summary mentions our lack of a shared language, and it made me want to return to these books. Some of them were pretty short and had easy-to-read wording (again, I was just unmotivated).
Also just because I'm still weirded out by the viglink stuff, here are those links in plain text, in case you want to just copy+paste it into your browser.
https://sadgrl.online/reading/
https://archive.org/details/BernaysPropaganda
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Post by blog47177 on May 6, 2023 22:54:02 GMT
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Post by sixeyes on May 8, 2023 10:10:56 GMT
I think i'd like to join...! "Currently" reading justin joque's "revolutionary mathematics" about how machine learning hyper-enforces a capitalistic worldview (ish) and while interesting it's going sloooow. Reading something together could be fun, and hopefully motivating, plus you get to discuss it with others, yeah? Full disclosure, i didn't read much of anything before other than pulp sci-fi... So anything political that hinges on you being well-read will be a bit uphill probably. I will have questions π
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Post by purelyconstructive on May 8, 2023 21:04:54 GMT
Greetings! Back in the discord server, we had a channel that acted like a library. There was a lot of tech-y stuff, and also books related to the 'social change' aspect of the YW movement. I was wondering if anybody was interested in picking up some of those titles with me? Book clubs are fun! I wouldn't mind reading some relevant literature together. Everyone shared some really interesting things within the #Books channel. I think the only recommendation that I contributed was Fritjof Capra's " The Turning Point" (and the movie, " Mindwalk", that is loosely based upon its contents). Speaking of which... If getting through Edward Bernays' book is a slog, you could always try watching Adam Curtis' documentary The Century of the Self (particularly the first two parts). Here are the text links to all of the above if you are more comfortable with that: https://archive.org/details/turningpointthe00frit_y35 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5A74DHruWp3vTrGoDvW5xIyCmlDs0bNy https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLktPdpPFKHfoXRfTPOwyR8SG8EHLWOSj6
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Post by Hannah on May 10, 2023 23:26:48 GMT
Very happy that others are interested! I'm not well-versed in this stuff, at all, so that's why it's posted here as opposed to the Projects subforum. My goal is for this to be low-stress, but still educational.
Blog's post got me thinking, maybe we could add our thoughts and whatnot to the shared website? (Again, I want this to be fun, so it isn't necessary.)
And thank you for the recs, PC! You have a great youtube channel there. Will admit that I'm taking a detour through your own uploads.
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Post by purelyconstructive on May 15, 2023 14:57:54 GMT
And thank you for the recs, PC! You have a great youtube channel there. Will admit that I'm taking a detour through your own uploads. No problem. Thank you so much! I've been wanting to put up more readings...hopefully sometime in the near future. Blog's post got me thinking, maybe we could add our thoughts and whatnot to the shared website? (Again, I want this to be fun, so it isn't necessary.) That is a great idea! While I agree that it should be fun and informal, having a little bit of structure might help us to finish the book by providing a goal to work towards. For example: Maybe we can read a chapter a week. [This timeframe is flexible.] After each chapter, we can write down any questions that we might have, a short paragraph of what we thought of it, or anything else that comes to mind. Then, we can share that here to dialogue about it for a few days before moving on to the next chapter. Once we have worked through it together, we can condense it all down into a "study guide" for the shared website. Personal Questions: * Does the above sound like a reasonable plan? * Shall we wait until more people want to join in first, or should we just get started and let people jump in at any point? * How should we choose books to read? The book that sixeyes mentioned looks phenomenal and I want to read it, but I too am leaning towards beginning with Pedagogy of the Oppressed since we have a copy here, it is short, and the method of conflict resolution developed for the Yesterweb is partially based off of the author's work (i.e.: what the summary refers to as "Freirean conscientization"). Let me know what y'all think.
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Post by Ray on May 15, 2023 21:41:50 GMT
I'd love to join in as well! <3 I always have an hard time sticking to / finishing books, especially nonfiction. Doing this stuff together with other people is easier for me as well! Gives you more of a purpose and accountability. I really like the structure proposed by purelyconstructive, myself! I especially like the idea of coming together to discuss chapters, and producing some useful material to share on the website as well, as Hannah proposed! And, I too think that Pedagogy of the Oppressed is a good first book. Short and accessible thanks to Sadness ^^ In the future I could try and get ebooks for those interested if they're unable to make a purchase and are not savvy with libgen, if needed. Maybe we could set a date to start (say, next week), and if someone decides to join later they can catch up if they want, or wait for a new book to start. To keep things loose and fun but somewhat structured too. I'm happy to do whatever though!
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Post by modro on May 16, 2023 7:10:01 GMT
I do read. And i like fiction. The idea of collaborative writing is interesting... in any way it will manifest, ill try to take part in it. as reading material i would suggest: The Tales of the Otori series
https://www.lianhearn.com/ A fictional space, kind of antient japan. its about society, power, realations...
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Post by Hannah on May 19, 2023 0:31:43 GMT
(Sorry for the late reply! Been busy irl)
I like all the suggestions so far. Personally I can't start until Wednesday next week (college yay).
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Post by sixeyes on May 19, 2023 14:38:40 GMT
For me it's basically whenever! I've been likewise busy up until just now (convention + work stuff, le sigh)
((Also, i think i read otori way back when! I remember enjoying it.))
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Post by purelyconstructive on May 22, 2023 15:02:48 GMT
This book is phenomenal. I had picked it up the other day just to get an idea of what we would be going over, but I couldn't put it down. Ended up reading the whole thing. I deeply identify with a lot of what the author was talking about. I cannot wait to read it again together! There are a couple of things that I wanted to mention before we begin though, some friendly suggestions that will hopefully make your reading easier. Of course, "your mileage may vary," so please feel free to ignore this... 1. The first few sections (i.e.: the two Forewords and the Introduction) are more like commentaries on Paulo Freire and how other people interpret his work. I think it is helpful to go over these after one reads the main body of the text first (i.e.: the Preface and four Chapters). Some might start reading them and become a little discouraged because they don't seem to make much sense unless you already know something about him and the book's contents. Maybe the publisher decided to put these essays at the front instead of the back because they wanted them to act like a blurb, or perhaps they assumed that most people who would be purchasing the "anniversary edition" would already know about the book itself? Not entirely sure... In short, skip to the Preface if you see the first few sections as a slog. Save the commentaries for afterward. 2. I found the author's manner of speaking somewhat dense and "academic". I do not mean this in a "bad" way, it is just a lot to unpack and fully understand if you are not used to reading texts of this nature. The Wikipedia page for this book gives a nice synopsis of the general contents of each chapter. While it skips over a lot of the details, it can be helpful in giving one a "bird's-eye view" of the book as a whole if you get stuck at any point within it. LitCharts, The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and a few other websites also have a set of summaries, but I haven't gone through them yet. In general, The Freire Institute website states: Several copies of this latter book are available through Internet Archive's digital lending library. [If one is checked out, skip to the bottom of the page where it says "Similar Items" to look for other copies.] I haven't read this book yet, but I wanted to put it out there. It might be helpful to cross-reference them, to make Pedagogy of the Oppressed more clear and to see how Paulo's ideas developed over time. I hope that helps! I will try to return to this topic around this same time next week to share some comments and questions about the Preface and first Chapter. Please do not feel pressured to rush through it just because others may have already started reading. It is going to take some time to assimilate all of the information within the book. If anyone has any questions or comments in the meantime, please do not hesitate to post them either! I am looking forward to reading what y'all have to say.
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Post by purelyconstructive on May 29, 2023 14:40:33 GMT
If you've started already, how is the reading going so far? I will give it a few more days until I put some personal comments and questions about the Preface and Chapter 1. Until then, I have made a little helper page:
https://letslearntogether.neocities.org/bookclub/summary01.html This is just for the book club. It is not (and will not) be linked to anywhere on the main website, but please feel free to save a local copy for your own use.
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If you've started already, how is the reading going so far? I will give it a few more days until I put some personal comments and questions about the Preface and Chapter 1. Until then, I have made a little helper page:
https://letslearntogether.neocities.org/bookclub/summary01.html This is just for the book club. It is not (and will not) be linked to anywhere on the main website, but please feel free to save a local copy for your own use.
Thank you for putting this page together! I'm going to try to find some time and energy to finally sit down and read this book. It's been on my to-read list for awhile now.
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Post by purelyconstructive on May 30, 2023 16:35:32 GMT
Thank you for putting this page together! I'm going to try to find some time and energy to finally sit down and read this book. It's been on my to-read list for awhile now. You're welcome! I hope it helps during your reading. It is a wonderful book.
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Post by Hannah on Jun 8, 2023 23:51:38 GMT
Hello again everyone, sorry I've been afk! I need to buy a new computer monitor, but in the meantime, I've found a copy of the book that is more friendly to mobile devices. I've uploaded it to my personal site. It's in ePub, but you can use Calibre to convert it to Mobi if you prefer that. (There's another book on that page but you can ignore that for now)
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